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Old 01-12-2018, 09:43 AM   #21
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Alright... after staring for hours on a 24 inch computer screen, I`m changing my original comment (hardheaded) to LC Smith Crown grade...

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de Mund. Could it be a Daly?



Sousa and his Daly SBT



World's Record Trapshooting Squad. Record 497 out of 500. July 4th, 1915, Maplewood Club in the White Mountains, New Hampshire. A.G. King - 99, Ralph Spotts - 100, Chas. Newcomb - 99, A.B. Richardson - 99, Fred Plum - 100. Newcomb won the 1915 GAH.
Spotts and Newcomb both used Daly SBTs



Jay Clark, member of the 1920 Olympic Gold Medal team with his Flues SBT



Otto Newlin, winner of the 1927 GAH with his Smith Crown SBT (no FE groove)



John Hendrickson, member of the 1912 Gold Medal Olympic Team. I think it's a Smith.


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Old 01-12-2018, 03:05 PM   #23
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de Mund's looks like it might be a Westley Richards SBT to me.
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Well, Dilly Dilly! Bob, I`m going to have to agree...

Westley Richards didn`t even cross my mind.

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Definately not a Smith, they have a Schnable forend. Could be a Westley Richards , I had one years ago but it was restocked. I think it had a sculptured side but it's been too long ago. Did Daly's have a scalloped frame? If the picture was from 1917, we could rule out some manufactures or models. I'll have to look at my American Single Barrell book to see if there are any similar guns in it or maybe Randy, you have already looked.
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Westley Richards SBTs. I can't tell if de Mund's has a VR. Distinctive angle at the front of the action and I think Chuck might be correct. Still can't 'splain the FE goove.

WR Model of 1908



Possibly Model of 1911 with VR and frame sculpting

Forest & Stream March 11, 1911
https://books.google.com/books?id=m0...J&pg=PA400&lpg
Forest & Stream Feb. 8, 1913
https://books.google.com/books?id=hhjHHPd3VxUC&pg=PA192




FE groovish, and quite...exceptional...Schnabel tip




Charles Daly SBT distinct frame. I don't think that is de Mund's gun


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Yup Drew, your second picture is what I had. The gun was garbage but that's a different story and one I'd like to forget! I learned a very valuable lesson.
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Definitely not a Francotte Model 11 with the distinct breech





http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrar.../SL2509025.pdf
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Von Lengerke & Detmold, New York, importers, dealers and general selling agents of Francotte (showed) a new Francotte single barrel gun for artificial target shooting, having extra heavy breech, flat rib, and was a fine model.

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http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrar.../SL2717019.pdf

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Chuck, the photo was taken at the 1917 Grand. I did take a look through Conley`s book, which only covers American SBT`s. Don`t know about the forend either... Thanks Drew for the Westley SBT photos. Seeing a few more
examples I do believe he is holding a Westley Richards SBT

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Same grooved FE in the Fred Gilbert ad in Outers' Recreation, November, 1919
https://books.google.com/books?id=l3...J&pg=PA383&lpg
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